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Well, I'd just like to introduce myself.

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My name is John Andreasen.

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I'm the laboratory supervisor
of the Immunologic Flow

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Cytometry Laboratory at a group.

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And I'm here today to present,

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the introduction to Flow cytometry.

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So we've got some learning objectives
that we just wanted to go over first off.

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First is to describe
the principle of flow cytometry.

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Then identify the components
of a flow cytometer

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and finally discuss the clinical
applications of flow cytometry.

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So by way of introduction,

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the concept of flow
cytometry is not a new one.

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It's been in existence
for more than 50 years.

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It really took on clinical prominence
in the clinical laboratory

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in the 1980s
in the wake of the HIV Aids epidemic.

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The clinical utility,

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initially recognized
was the counting of CD4 positive T cells.

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As we know from our studies of HIV,
this is a retrovirus

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that preferentially infects and destroys
CD4 positive cells.

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So, the mechanism of this disease

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and how it affects the immune system
is by destroying these cells.

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So that was the initial, the initial
clinical utility of the methodology.

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But this was soon expanded to,
assessing lymphoid and eventually myeloid

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hematopoietic neoplasms and to detecting
primary immuno deficiencies.

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The first working cytometer was described

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way back in 1947
at Northwestern University,

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and this was a sponsored, by research
from the US Army with the aim of rapid

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identification of biological warfare
agents such as anthrax

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and the current generation
of clinical flow cytometer

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use one or more, lasers.

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Back in 1947, what they were using
is actually a Ford headlamp.

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So we've come a long way.

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So let's just discuss, the definition
of flow cytometry.

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It's very simple.

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This is a system for measuring
different properties of individual cells

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in physiologic saline solution
as they move in a focused liquid stream

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through a fixed laser beam, scattering
light and emitting fluorescence.

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That's then measured
and converted into digitized data.

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If you break the word flow cytometry down

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flow, meaning fluid cytosol
and metric measurement.

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So pretty straightforward.

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On the right we have a picture of a flow
cytometry flow cell.

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So this is the interrogation area
where the light source,

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as I mentioned previously,
the flow cytometry

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lasers are going to interrogate
the individual cells.

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So coming in from the top down,

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we've got the sample
and it says stained cells in suspension.

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So by stained what typically we mean in
flow cytometry is they have been incubated

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with a cocktail of different
monoclonal antibodies

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that are then going to
that are going to be specific for certain

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cell surface proteins.

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So the antibodies will attach
very specifically to different markers

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on the surface of the cell.

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That will allow us to say this is a T cell
or this is a B cell or NK cell.

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Each of those different
monoclonal antibodies with a specificity

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to a certain cell type
or a certain marker,

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are conjugated to different fluorophores
or dyes

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that will fluoresce as the cell goes
through the laser light source.

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Then also coming
in, we have what we call sheath fluid.

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This is the physiologic saline.

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We use this to hydrodynamic focus.

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The cells into a single file
or single cell stream orientation.

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And the way we accomplish
this is by the interplay

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of the pressure of the sheath fluid
relative to the sample pressure.

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So if the sheath pressure is higher
than the sample pressure,

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we can effectively squeeze the cells
into a single band or a single cell file.

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And then we're getting very fine
measurements of each individual cell

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as that intersects the laser light source.

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Once that happens, you can see that

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we have the arrow coming from the laser,
the green arrow.

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And we're going to measure
some physical characteristics

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of the cells,
those being forward and side scatter.

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So forward
scatter is a measure of cell size.

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We'll talk a little bit
more about that later in the presentation.

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Side scatter being a measure
of how complex the cell is internally.

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How much light is passing into the cell

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hitting internal structure
and then reflecting off to the sides.

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And we measure that.

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And then we also measure the floor
fluorescence

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emitted from the stained cells.

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And this comes back to the monoclonal
antibody cocktail that we've added.

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And we know now that oh
this cell is fluorescing red.

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We know that red is the dye that's
conjugated to our anti T cell marker.

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So this must be a T cell.

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So this slide is just detailing

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some of the advantages of flow cytometry
versus light microscopy.

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So flow is very fast.

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The clinical generation of flow cytometry

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can count
upwards of 30,000 cells per second.

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So it becomes pretty powerful
to count millions of cells

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in a relatively short amount of time.

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It's less a it's less subjective
than traditional light microscopy.

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So, there is some subjectivity
inherent in flow cytometry,

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but much less
so than than light microscopy.

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So you can, define regions
where your different cell populations

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should fall. And,

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and that takes some of the subjectivity
out of the, out of the analysis.

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It's highly reproducible.

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And that's due to the specificity
of the antibodies that we use,

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and also to the number of events
that we're able to count.

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And the

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sensitivity and specificity of the flow
cytometry analyzers.

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As I mentioned,
you can count up to upwards of 30,000

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cells a second on the current generation
of clinical flow cytometry.

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So you can analyze many,
many cells very quickly relative

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to just a few cells, a few hundred cells,
if you're looking at a slide,

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it can be semi-automated relative
to just being manual.

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So we're constantly trying to further
automate the process.

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You can purchase currently clinical,

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instruments
that will automate the sample prep

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and load
the samples onto the flow Cytometer.

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So we're so it can be automated.

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And that's a big advantage.

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And then the results can be quantitative
relative to just

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being kind of semi quantitative
for the light microscopy.

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So we can report out numbers in terms of

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what's the percentage of the patient's
lymphocytes that are T cells.

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This is important as we know for HIV.

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It can be important for other things
to be able to quantitate

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exactly the percentage
as well as the number of cells

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per microliter
for of each different cell population.

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The disadvantages,
and there are some big ones.

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Cost the flow cytometry are expensive.

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Just the, the cost of building the unit,
the cost to maintain it,

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the training that's involved, all of that
rolls into the cost of the instrument.

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Availability is a big, issue.

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Not every clinical lab in a hospital
is going to be able to afford

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or want to have a flow cytometer.

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Short sample stability, which
kind of rolls back to the availability.

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So the samples
we want to look at live viable cells.

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So we typically have pretty short
stabilities, usually maybe

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48 to 72 hours
at max for most of the testing.

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So that coupled with the fact
that you may have to fly a sample

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to another state,
to another, to a big reference lab

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in order to do this
testing, can cause some problems.

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The loss of the sample.

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So if you're just dealing
with a peripheral blood sample, probably

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not a big issue.

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But for bone marrow, for the lymph node,
different types of tumors

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where we may want to look at the cells

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having the cells lost just to the waste.

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After you are analyzing it,

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it can present some issues
and then a loss of tissue architecture.

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So if you imagine, looking at section

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of lymph node on a slide
versus mincing that tissue up

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and staining the individual cells and,
and, running it through a flow Cytometer,

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you're going to lose the relation of one
cell to another when you're doing it.

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The flow away.

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And there are some new instruments

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or relatively new instruments
that can bind both.

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But, as far as I know, those aren't, in
routine use in clinical labs.

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So let's go into a little bit more detail
about the different components

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of a flow Cytometer
what makes this instrument work?

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So there are three main ones.

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There's the fluid x component, an optical
component, and an electronic component.

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So we've got three different bubbles here.

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Fluid X provides the flow.

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This is the pressurized
physiologic saline.

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And the pressurized patient sample
stained up with monoclonal antibodies.

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We've got the optical component
which is the focus laser light.

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And then all of the optics
that are used to focus

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that those light signals
to intersect the cell stream

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and the electronics,
which converts the light signals

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to digital information.

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So the fluid IC subsystem.

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Right.

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Again,
this is this the transportation system

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that moves
the cells towards the laser intercept.

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It requires that pressurized patient
sample and saline

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which we call sheath fluid.

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And we call it sheath fluid because it,

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produces
a sheath around the stream of cells.

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This is going to create laminar flow
or hydrodynamic focusing

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of the cell stream as the sample cells
are squeezed into a single cell band,

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within the flow cell for interrogation
by one or more lasers.

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So, we mentioned up top about,

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you know, way back in the 1940s, using
what was available

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at that time, Ford
headlamp for an excitation light source.

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When I started in flow
cytometry 25 years ago, we had single

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laser instruments that were capable
of exciting two different fluorophores.

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And so you could potentially look at
two different cell surface markers or,

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or detect and quantitate
two different cell populations.

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The current instruments that are in use
in, in influence cytometry labs clinically

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can do up to 12 different colors
with three or more lasers.

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So that gives you really a lot of power
to look at very small subsets

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of different populations of cells
by drilling down

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from one population
to another based on antigen expression.

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But it all goes back to this idea of

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having a clean cell signal,
looking at one cell at a time.

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As the cells go through the laser,

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and again, the
cell stream needs to be precisely aligned

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within the laser and the optical path

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so that we don't
just clip the edge of the cell,

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or we don't have two cells going
through the flow cell at the same time,

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it may look to the flow cytometer
into the analyzer, like one cell that has,

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you know, abnormal phenotype.

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It looks like a
T cell combined with a B cell.

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We might mistake that
for a cancer cell or something.

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So air bubbles and clumps of cells
can cause problems.

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As you might imagine,
by altering the stream and affecting

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the quality of the data.

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And then once we've interrogated
the cells,

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the sample and the ceiling just ends up
in a waste tank with some bleach.

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So here's

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just a picture of, kind of a generic flow
cytometer.

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And in contrast to the the first
or second slide where we showed the sample

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and the saline coming in from the top,
in fact, most clinical flow

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cytometer is the sample
is actually loaded from the bottom.

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So you see the sample there on a stage,
and then you see

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the saline coming in on either
side up into the flow cell.

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And there are all the different parts
and components that probably aren't

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too important to mention here.

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But the end result is we want pressurized
saline, pressurized sample

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moving up into the interrogation
point with the laser,

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and then you can see over to the right

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this bubble we have, just an example.

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If you can see this, it's

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kind of difficult to read, but there's low
pressure versus high pressure

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and the effect
that that has on hydrodynamic focusing.

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So if you increase the sample pressure,
you get more wiggle room for the cells

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to go through.

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That increases the variability of the data
that you're looking at.

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So if you want very fine, very low CVEs
and very good quality data,

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we should count on the low
flow rate, high flow rate for things that

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where that's not so critical.

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Optics subsystem.

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So this is the lasers.

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The light source, provides
a source of constant monochromatic light.

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So, most flow cytometry,
if not all of them,

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will have A488 nanometer argon ion laser.

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And then the newer generation instruments,
as I mentioned before, will have,

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up to two additional lasers,

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red laser, violet laser,
ultraviolet there and numerous options.

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And this just excites
the sample particles, in particular

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the fluorescent fluorophores
that are bound

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to the monoclonal antibodies
that we use to really drill down

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and find out what types of cells
we're looking at.

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Again, the flow cell is where the cells
intersect the laser beam,

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and then fiber optic cables
that collect the emitted light

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and route it to specific detectors
based on wavelength.

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And these detectors,
which we call for the multiplier tubes,

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then detect the light and amplify
it further, because you can imagine

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the amount of light coming off one
individual cell is going to be very tiny.

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So we need to have a mechanism to detect
and then amplify that light.

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So here's
a picture showing kind of how this works.

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Again going back to having this sample
coming in from the top.

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You've got a laser off to the left side.

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There is a forward scatter
detector to measure cell size.

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And then at 90 degrees
to the line of the laser,

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we have all of our fluorescence
channel detectors

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and a side scatter detector
to, to measure cell complexity.

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And then all of this data goes
to the electronic system,

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which we'll discuss next,
which is the computer

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that's attached to the flow
cytometry workstation.

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And the electronic subsystem

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finally converts the light signals
to proportional electronic signals.

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It's assigned a channel number
which is then plotted on a graph.

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And that's the data

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that the analyst actually sees
when they're analyzing the patient result,

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converts
it from an analog to digital signal,

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and then it sends it to the computer
for analysis and for storage.

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So let's talk

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now about how we analyze
the data in flow cytometry.

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So we've talked about how the instrument
actually works.

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We want to talk now

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about how you actually analyze the data
that's generated by the flow.

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Cytometer.

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So a couple of ways that that we can
look at this,

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we can look at what we call a histogram
or a dot plot.

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So a histogram is

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the cell count on the y axis

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versus the light scatter
or fluorescence on the x axis.

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So in this example we have a
an antibody added

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against the lab 27 antigen
on the surface of human white cells.

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And we're looking
to read the fluorescence.

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And if the fluorescence exceeds the marker
line of positive versus

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negative
it's interpreted as a positive result.

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If it stays to the left

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as it is in this case,
it's interpreted as a negative result.

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And I'll just say that
HLA b 27 is a test that's run,

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not by a lot of clinical flow labs,
but certainly some.

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And it's used to screen
for certain autoimmune disorders

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that are typically associated
with HLA b27 expression.

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And then the dot plot option.

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So here we have 45 versus side scatter.

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And as an example.

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So we're looking at two different measure
parameters one against another.

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So in this case we're looking at side
scatter which is again

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a measure of the complexity of the cell
internally

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plotted against CD 45.

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And this is conjugated to P
which is a red dye molecule.

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So CD 45 is an antigen.

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That's expressed
only on white blood cells,

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never, platelets or red blood cells.

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And so we
this is typically the starting point

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for most of the assays that are run
in clinical flow cytometry labs.

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A plot
such as this Cd40 45 versus side scatter.

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And we're looking at gating on cells
that have Cd40 45 expression.

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So you can see
they're moved out to the right

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with low side scatter.

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So that's a characteristic of lymphocytes.

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Monocytes have a little bit more side
scatter as you imagine.

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They have vacuoles in the cytoplasm.

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They're a little bit more complex.

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So they present a higher side
scatter signal.

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And then the granulocytes the

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the basal fills eosinophils neutrophils

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have a much more complicated
nucleus and granules in the cytoplasm.

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So there's much more structure
for light to bounce off of.

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So they present with the highest side
scatter signal.

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So looking in
just at a very simple plot like this

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we can separate out
three different cell populations.

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The two little stripes of bands
up in the upper right

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hand corner are internal reference beads
that are added to the tube.

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And that provides a mechanism
for us to count beads relative to cells

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and calculate absolute cell counts.

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So we could potentially report
to the clinician

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not only the percentage of lymphocytes
in the patient sample, but

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also the number of of cells of lymphocytes
per microliter of blood.

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So electronic gating.

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So in the previous on the previous slide,
we looked at an example

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of a forward scatter or rather a side
scatter versus CD 45 plot.

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And the little gate that was around the CD
45 positive lymphocytes we call a gate.

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Right? It's an electronic gate.

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This is just a window
that allows us to focus

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in on a certain population of cells
that we're going to analyze further.

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So here's an example looking at
CD 45 again versus side scatter.

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And we've got a gate drawn
around the CD 45.

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Positive lymphocytes.

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So sorry the CD

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45 positive white blood cells.

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And then we're moving to the right.

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The plot on the upper right is looking at

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within that population of cells
gated in the first plot.

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Now we're looking at two markers
plotted against one versus the other, CD

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15 versus CD 64.

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So this allows us now to separate out
that kind of,

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that population in the first plot
into two distinct populations

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that we want to further characterize.

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The CD
15 is in blue, the CD 64 is in green.

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So now we're looking at the CD 15 positive

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cells in the plot on the lower left,

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the CD 64 positive cells in the plot
on the lower right.

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And we can see that the two markers
that are now

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displayed on
these plots are CD 157 versus flare.

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Right.

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This is a panel that we use to screen for

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this disease called paroxysmal
nocturnal Hemoglobin area or PNH.

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And what we're looking for here is

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we want to first
look at all the white blood cells.

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Then we want to drill down to the CD
15 positive neutrophils.

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The CD 64 positive monocytes. Right.

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And from the previous slide discussion
that I mentioned, you can see that

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the lymphocytes are
the very smallest population with in pink.

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Monocytes are in green.

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Neutrophils are in blue.

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So when we look at the neutrophils
in the monocyte in the two bottom plots

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we can see that they express
both the markers 157 and flare.

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That's a normal situation.

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What would be abnormal
would be to see these populations lack

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expression of both of those two molecules.

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So they would fall down into the little
lower left box in each of those two plots.

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So this is a normal result.

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But this is a very a very common
example of kind of a gating strategy

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for how to refine the data down
to a subpopulation

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and then look for an abnormality
within that population.

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So let's talk a little bit

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more about light scatter and fluorescence.

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So we mentioned that
as the cell intersects

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the laser beam we're going to measure
two different parameters of scattered

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light forward
scatter versus light scatter.

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Forward scatter is the cell size again
or surface area.

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Side scatter is the granularity
or nuclear structure internal complexity

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of the cell that's measured at 90 degrees
to the angle of the laser beam.

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And just with those two signals, we can
we can break out the mixed population

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of white blood cells, for instance, into
lymphocytes, monocytes and granulocytes.

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The amount of light
that scattered is proportional to the size

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or the complexity of the cell.

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But that only takes us so far, right?

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That takes us to a point where we can.
Sure we can.

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We can tell by the
how the cells are scattering the light,

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whether they're a lymphocyte

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or a monocyte, but
we want to get more detailed information.

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So we want to begin

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adding our monoclonal antibody reagents
with different fluorophores attached

00:20:50.966 --> 00:20:53.600
so that we can tell okay,
within the lymphocytes

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that I can now differentiate
by forward and side scatter.

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I want to be able to tell are these
what's the percentage of T cells.

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What's the percentage of natural killer
cells.

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What's the percentage of B cells.

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For instance.

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So three of the common floor rooms
that we use in clinical flow

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cytometry are Fitzy P and P,
and there are many others.

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As I mentioned before, we can do up to 12
different colors currently.

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So they emit at different wavelengths.

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They have to be excitable by one of
the laser beams that we use on the flow.

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Cytometer.

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So you can see that Fitzy

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absorbs light at a certain wavelength
and it emits it it in the green range.

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So 525 for reference, absorbs
light and emits.

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At 570, Percy Pig absorbs
light and emits at 678.

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So ideally these

00:21:41.566 --> 00:21:45.000
emission ranges are far enough apart

00:21:45.166 --> 00:21:48.866
that we can cleanly detect
one population from the other.

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The amount of fluorescence that comes off
any individual cell is proportional

00:21:53.600 --> 00:21:57.200
to the amount of antibody that's bound,
and thus it's a direct measure

00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.100
of the antigen density
on the surface of the cell.

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And that becomes important
for certain types of disorders.

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And when you're when you're analyzing
certain types of samples

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and this fluorescence is measured again
at 90 degrees to

00:22:08.566 --> 00:22:09.866
the line of the laser beam.

00:22:12.600 --> 00:22:15.400
So fluorescence signals,

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the fluorescent signals are detected by
again what we call photomultiplier tubes.

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And these detect and amplify
the very small light signals.

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So one of the limiting factors
of flow cytometry for a long time

00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:32.133
has been the fact that we're reliant
on different wavelengths of light,

00:22:32.533 --> 00:22:36.300
different fluorophores
that are excitable by our lasers

00:22:36.966 --> 00:22:39.966
in order to differentiate
different cell populations.

00:22:40.300 --> 00:22:45.066
And unfortunately,
these fluorescent signals

00:22:45.066 --> 00:22:49.600
that we're measuring don't emit light
at only one wavelength light.

00:22:49.600 --> 00:22:52.600
So they emit over a range of wavelengths.

00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.700
So that presents a problem
because it's very difficult

00:22:56.700 --> 00:23:00.333
for the flow cytometer or detector
array to clean and cleanly detect

00:23:01.566 --> 00:23:03.033
one signal from another.

00:23:03.033 --> 00:23:05.500
If there's a lot of overlap.

00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:09.233
So one of the big QC pieces
that we have to do each day

00:23:09.233 --> 00:23:12.600
for the flow cytometry
or depending upon the the instrument

00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:15.200
and how often it's supposed to be
have this calculation

00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.500
done, is to do what we call
fluorescence compensation.

00:23:18.733 --> 00:23:19.600
So and

00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:19.933
that's a

00:23:19.933 --> 00:23:23.933
mechanism, a mathematical mechanism
for us to subtract out overlapping light

00:23:23.933 --> 00:23:26.933
so that we can cleanly detect
each individual signal.

00:23:26.933 --> 00:23:29.933
And you can accomplish this
using fluorescently labeled beads.

00:23:30.266 --> 00:23:32.633
You can use light cells.

00:23:32.633 --> 00:23:33.966
There are a number of different ways
to do this.

00:23:33.966 --> 00:23:37.166
But the the
the end result or what we're trying to do

00:23:37.166 --> 00:23:40.633
is to clean up the signal, subtract out
the overlapping light.

00:23:41.266 --> 00:23:43.933
So here's just an example of what
this might look like.

00:23:43.933 --> 00:23:48.433
We have say we have one
monoclonal antibody conjugated to green

00:23:48.433 --> 00:23:53.400
or Fitzy emission and one conjugated to P
or orange red emission.

00:23:54.033 --> 00:23:57.133
And for the most part we can
cleanly detect the two different signals.

00:23:57.133 --> 00:24:00.900
The cells labeled with green
are going to be emitting around 520.

00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:05.633
The cells labeled with with, flicker
or with red or orange

00:24:05.633 --> 00:24:10.633
red are going to be, for the most part,
around 605, 70 ranges or something.

00:24:10.633 --> 00:24:12.466
But then there's this overlap region

00:24:12.466 --> 00:24:14.700
where we can't tell the difference
between the two.

00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:16.066
That's what we have to correct for

00:24:16.066 --> 00:24:18.733
when we're doing our daily fluorescence
compensation.

00:24:18.733 --> 00:24:22.133
And it's just a mathematical compensation
calculation

00:24:22.133 --> 00:24:25.566
that luckily now is done automatically
by the flow cytometry software.

00:24:25.566 --> 00:24:26.566
To correct that out.

00:24:28.266 --> 00:24:31.966
So let's talk now about some
clinical applications of flow cytometry.

00:24:31.966 --> 00:24:35.433
So how do we use these this tool
to help us help patients

00:24:35.433 --> 00:24:38.433
and the clinicians
that are caring for them.

00:24:38.633 --> 00:24:41.300
So one of the big testing
umbrellas of flow cytometry

00:24:41.300 --> 00:24:42.966
is what we call immuno phenotyping.

00:24:42.966 --> 00:24:46.700
So phenotyping is just what
we've described so far

00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:50.766
in this presentation
that is labeling surface proteins on cells

00:24:51.600 --> 00:24:54.133
to help us tell something
about the lineage of a cell,

00:24:54.133 --> 00:24:57.300
the maturation of the cell, immuno
meaning white blood cell.

00:24:57.300 --> 00:25:00.200
So phenotype being white blood cells,

00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.000
that's most of what clinical flow
cytometry is about.

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.100
We do do some red blood cell assays.

00:25:05.100 --> 00:25:07.933
But for the most part
we're looking at white blood cells.

00:25:07.933 --> 00:25:10.800
So you can look at two different types
of markers

00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:13.800
on when you're doing immuno
phenotyping cell surface markers.

00:25:13.866 --> 00:25:15.833
So if you want to say

00:25:15.833 --> 00:25:18.566
we want to tell the difference between
T cells and B cells, it's very easy.

00:25:18.566 --> 00:25:22.533
By adding an antibody cocktail that would
mark those two different populations.

00:25:22.766 --> 00:25:25.633
It just has to stick to the surface
markers on the cell.

00:25:25.633 --> 00:25:28.666
But then you can also look at cytoplasmic
or nuclear markers.

00:25:29.266 --> 00:25:32.300
It's a little bit more complicated
because you have to fix and then permeable

00:25:32.466 --> 00:25:33.266
the cells.

00:25:33.266 --> 00:25:35.600
But then you could add something
like an anti TD

00:25:35.600 --> 00:25:38.600
which is terminal deoxy
nuclear tidal transferase.

00:25:38.800 --> 00:25:41.666
So this is a this is an enzyme

00:25:41.666 --> 00:25:44.666
that's found in immature
lineage lymphoid lineage cells.

00:25:44.733 --> 00:25:50.166
So if you wanted to look at a patient
who potentially has an acute leukemia

00:25:50.433 --> 00:25:51.666
and you wanted to tell the difference

00:25:51.666 --> 00:25:55.766
between a myeloid lineage leukemia
and a lymphoid lineage leukemia,

00:25:56.800 --> 00:25:59.800
adding this particular antibody to TD

00:25:59.933 --> 00:26:02.933
could be very helpful.

00:26:03.833 --> 00:26:06.833
So different types of antibodies
that we use in flow cytometry,

00:26:06.933 --> 00:26:09.933
polyclonal antibodies
and monoclonal antibodies.

00:26:10.266 --> 00:26:13.433
So the polyclonal antibodies
we don't use as much as we used to.

00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:16.500
These are made
by injecting the antigen into an animal.

00:26:16.766 --> 00:26:18.466
Go to a rabbit or something.

00:26:18.466 --> 00:26:20.000
And then the animal's immune system

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.000
is going to produce antibodies
against that foreign antigen.

00:26:23.033 --> 00:26:28.066
That's those antibodies are then harvested
and then sold

00:26:28.066 --> 00:26:31.900
to conjugated to fluorophores
or sold on conjugated.

00:26:32.166 --> 00:26:34.300
And we use those in flow
cytometry testing.

00:26:34.300 --> 00:26:36.133
They're different difficult
to standardize.

00:26:36.133 --> 00:26:39.133
They're prone to more nonspecific binding.

00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.033
But they do have their place in certain
applications.

00:26:42.033 --> 00:26:44.166
More commonly
we use monoclonal antibodies.

00:26:44.166 --> 00:26:46.833
These are produced in myeloma cell lines.

00:26:46.833 --> 00:26:49.566
We they are more targeted or more specific

00:26:49.566 --> 00:26:52.566
to a single portion of an antigen
or an epitope.

00:26:52.566 --> 00:26:54.666
They're more pure
and they're more reproducible

00:26:54.666 --> 00:26:56.400
than the polyclonal antibodies.

00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.600
And we just threw this slide in here
just just to give you kind of a background

00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:02.100
of the different types. You might hear.

00:27:02.100 --> 00:27:03.600
Especially with Covid

00:27:04.833 --> 00:27:07.833
we're hearing monoclonal antibody
that term thrown around a lot.

00:27:07.833 --> 00:27:09.900
And that's basically what we've got here.

00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:13.166
In that case
it's a drug to help us with the disease.

00:27:13.166 --> 00:27:17.300
In this case we're using the monoclonal
antibody to label different cells.

00:27:19.366 --> 00:27:22.600
So in order to kind of

00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:26.333
standardize flow cytometry
this CD system was

00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:29.433
was invented to name different

00:27:29.433 --> 00:27:32.433
antibodies according to their reactivity.

00:27:32.566 --> 00:27:37.033
So you'll often hear
things like CD3 or CD4 or CD8.

00:27:37.033 --> 00:27:38.633
I've used those terms so far in this.

00:27:38.633 --> 00:27:42.566
In this conversation, and we'll continue
to talk about them as we go through.

00:27:43.100 --> 00:27:47.400
That's basically just an invented system
to try and lump these antibodies together

00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:50.466
before the advent of this system,
you know, different

00:27:50.466 --> 00:27:53.466
manufacturers would name
the antibodies different things.

00:27:53.466 --> 00:27:57.366
For instance, antibodies to look for

00:27:57.366 --> 00:28:00.900
or okt three
previously were known by those names.

00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:02.766
Now they're both designated as CD3.

00:28:02.766 --> 00:28:06.200
So it makes things a little easier,
more standardized and off to the right

00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:10.800
in the colored squares, we have just the
some examples of the different types

00:28:10.800 --> 00:28:15.266
of cells, different lineages of cells,
and some of the common antibodies

00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:18.600
that are markers
that we use to to look at those cells.

00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:22.466
So some of the

00:28:22.466 --> 00:28:25.500
applications of immuno phenotyping,
clinical applications,

00:28:26.433 --> 00:28:27.633
so we can use this technology

00:28:27.633 --> 00:28:30.766
to diagnose and classify
mature lymphoid malignancies.

00:28:31.433 --> 00:28:34.600
And you can see I think how
this would be powerful if you can count

00:28:34.966 --> 00:28:39.666
30,000 cells a second, if you can use
a highly specific monoclonal antibody

00:28:39.666 --> 00:28:43.000
that's going to bind to a certain protein
on the surface of the cell,

00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:46.666
it's going to tell you,
is this a lymphoid malignancy?

00:28:47.100 --> 00:28:49.733
And what type of lymphoid malignancy is a
T lineage thing.

00:28:49.733 --> 00:28:50.700
Is it a B-cell thing.

00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:51.966
So it becomes very powerful

00:28:51.966 --> 00:28:55.033
as opposed to trying to look at a cell
on a slide and say, boy,

00:28:55.033 --> 00:28:57.433
that looks like a T-cell to me
or a B-cell.

00:28:57.433 --> 00:29:00.566
So that's really,
really important and very powerful.

00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:02.133
Next is the

00:29:02.133 --> 00:29:05.133
diagnosis and classification of acute
leukemias.

00:29:05.266 --> 00:29:08.866
So acute leukemias are those
that are characterized

00:29:08.866 --> 00:29:11.666
by immature cells blast typically.

00:29:11.666 --> 00:29:16.800
So again using these very targeted
highly specific monoclonal antibodies

00:29:17.100 --> 00:29:20.766
we can tell something
about the type of leukemia

00:29:20.766 --> 00:29:24.133
that you can't tell as easily
by looking at a slide.

00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:24.666
Right.

00:29:24.666 --> 00:29:27.933
So using an antibody
against a myeloid lineage marker

00:29:27.933 --> 00:29:31.166
and a lymphoid lineage marker
you could tell something about

00:29:31.166 --> 00:29:33.766
is this a myeloid leukemia
or a lymphoid leukemia.

00:29:33.766 --> 00:29:36.966
The treatments are different and it's in
the prognoses may be different.

00:29:36.966 --> 00:29:38.600
So it's important for us to know,

00:29:38.600 --> 00:29:41.300
to be able to tell that information
and to be able to provide that

00:29:41.300 --> 00:29:42.633
to the clinician.

00:29:42.633 --> 00:29:46.566
We can also use this to diagnose
and monitor primary immunodeficiency.

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.033
So we've got some more information
about that on the next slide.

00:29:50.033 --> 00:29:53.666
But these primary immunodeficiency
these are disorders that are

00:29:54.333 --> 00:29:56.833
as opposed to having
an abnormal cell population

00:29:56.833 --> 00:30:01.166
that you would see in a lymphoid
or malignancy or a acute leukemia.

00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:05.633
This is typically the absence
of a normal cell population.

00:30:05.800 --> 00:30:09.166
So a baby
that is, having recurrent infections

00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:14.000
and the doctor doesn't know why
they may send a sample to a flow

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.900
cytometry lab to see does the patient
have adequate numbers of T cells?

00:30:19.133 --> 00:30:20.900
Do they have adequate numbers of B-cells.

00:30:20.900 --> 00:30:22.833
And that's something that
we can easily provide them.

00:30:23.966 --> 00:30:25.133
And then another example, and

00:30:25.133 --> 00:30:28.133
this is an example of a red cell
assay that we run.

00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.333
And that is looking at PNH,
we also do a white cell assay for

00:30:32.900 --> 00:30:35.400
in, in many of the clinical flow labs.

00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.266
And this is the disorder,
proximal nocturnal hemoglobin area

00:30:39.633 --> 00:30:43.466
where the patients have, red kind of blood
colored urine.

00:30:43.966 --> 00:30:47.966
In some cases in the morning,
the hemolysis happens overnight.

00:30:48.233 --> 00:30:53.500
And it's due to a genetic defect
that makes it impossible for the patient

00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:57.100
to have certain protective proteins
on the surface of the red cells

00:30:57.300 --> 00:30:59.733
that protect those cells
from activated complement.

00:30:59.733 --> 00:31:02.700
That can happen in overnight
or in response to trauma.

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:05.700
Those types of things.

00:31:06.300 --> 00:31:09.000
So some of the primary immunodeficiency

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.833
so that we can detect by flow cytometry
in the clinical lab.

00:31:13.466 --> 00:31:14.733
The Georgia syndrome is one.

00:31:14.733 --> 00:31:17.000
That's the lack of of T cells.

00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.733
So if we have a monoclonal antibody
directed against the CD3 antigen site

00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:25.600
and we see no fluorescence
for that particular marker,

00:31:25.766 --> 00:31:27.900
we know that there's
a problem with the T cells.

00:31:29.033 --> 00:31:29.566
Bruton's

00:31:29.566 --> 00:31:32.566
gamma globule anemia,
which is a B-cell deficiency.

00:31:32.733 --> 00:31:36.800
Cd19 is a marker that we like to use
to detect and enumerate B cells.

00:31:36.933 --> 00:31:40.800
So lack of Cd19 positivity,
no green fluorescence.

00:31:40.800 --> 00:31:45.366
For instance, if we have an anti Cd19
antibody conjugated to a green for a crime

00:31:45.766 --> 00:31:48.533
would be indicative
of a B-cell deficiency.

00:31:48.533 --> 00:31:50.266
Severe combined immunodeficiency.

00:31:50.266 --> 00:31:53.533
This is, used to be referred
to as the bubble boy disease.

00:31:53.900 --> 00:31:57.566
So the patient has essentially
no functional T-cells or B cells.

00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:02.166
And another example,
that's not related to lymphocytes.

00:32:02.166 --> 00:32:04.533
This is leukocyte adhesion deficiency.

00:32:04.533 --> 00:32:08.400
This is a disease
that's typically, diagnosed in infancy.

00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.966
If it's a severe form
and this disorder affects the patient's

00:32:12.966 --> 00:32:18.233
granulocytes, they are not able to produce
certain adhesion molecules

00:32:18.233 --> 00:32:22.133
that allow the granulocytes
to stick to the vascular endothelial cells

00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.866
and then, push out into the tissue space
to fight infection.

00:32:26.733 --> 00:32:29.733
So the patients have,
you know, very little pus formation.

00:32:30.333 --> 00:32:31.233
Typically they're,

00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:34.500
recurrent mouth and throat infections.

00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:37.500
The umbilical cord doesn't separate
as it's supposed to.

00:32:38.266 --> 00:32:41.700
So pretty,
pretty nasty disorder on the treatment.

00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:43.600
It's typically a bone marrow
transplant of the patient.

00:32:43.600 --> 00:32:46.033
Severely. In fact affected.

00:32:46.033 --> 00:32:49.800
And it's very easy to detect the absence
of these markers by flow cytometry.

00:32:49.866 --> 00:32:54.000
You add an antibody cocktail
that includes an antibody to the antigens

00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.733
that might potentially be affected.

00:32:55.733 --> 00:32:57.833
And if you get a fluorescent signal
there, there.

00:32:57.833 --> 00:32:58.800
That's a normal result.

00:32:58.800 --> 00:33:02.700
No fluorescent signal means there is
a deficiency and the patient's abnormal.

00:33:04.900 --> 00:33:08.566
So, way back at the top,
we talked about kind of the first

00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:11.800
clinical application of flow cytometry
was in

00:33:11.800 --> 00:33:14.800
HIV Aids patients in the 1980s.

00:33:14.866 --> 00:33:17.700
And it remains to this day, one of the top

00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:21.100
highest volume tests that we perform
in clinical flow cytometry labs.

00:33:22.266 --> 00:33:22.766
And this

00:33:22.766 --> 00:33:26.700
this plot simply shows kind of the
important markers that we're looking at

00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:31.466
in this type of testing CD4,
which is expressed on helper

00:33:31.466 --> 00:33:36.366
inducer T cells, and CD8,
which is expressed on cytotoxic T cells.

00:33:37.800 --> 00:33:41.666
So we know from HIV that it infects
CD4 T cells.

00:33:41.666 --> 00:33:44.733
So we would expect the CD4
positive population to decline

00:33:44.733 --> 00:33:46.533
relative to the CD8 population.

00:33:46.533 --> 00:33:50.366
So what happens is the patient's
overall lymphocyte number decreases.

00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.433
The ratio of CD4
T cells to CD8 T cells decreases,

00:33:55.366 --> 00:33:58.966
and the counts of these CD4
positive T cells,

00:33:59.533 --> 00:34:02.233
when they get to kind
of a critically low point,

00:34:02.233 --> 00:34:04.400
then the patients
are severely immunocompromised.

00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:09.966
So a normal CD4 count would be, say,
515 hundred CD4 T cells per Microliter.

00:34:10.466 --> 00:34:15.466
So if we using our flow cytometer
as a tool, can detect these cells

00:34:15.733 --> 00:34:19.400
and quantitate them
and say your patient has a CD4 T cell

00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.433
count of 150.

00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.233
And that's very that's a low result.

00:34:24.233 --> 00:34:26.533
The patient is going to be
immunocompromised.

00:34:26.533 --> 00:34:28.633
And with the medications
that the patients are on

00:34:28.633 --> 00:34:32.266
now that may indicate that the patient is
is not responding as they should.

00:34:36.600 --> 00:34:39.333
So there's some other applications
of flow cytometry,

00:34:39.333 --> 00:34:43.266
that are maybe lower volume
or maybe a little bit less common.

00:34:44.533 --> 00:34:47.333
We can look at DNA data analysis.

00:34:47.333 --> 00:34:52.500
And this is just looking
at the amount of DNA in a cell nucleus.

00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:56.833
So this is important and can be important
in looking at different types of tumor

00:34:56.833 --> 00:35:01.966
cells, where the amount of DNA present
may be a prognostic indicator

00:35:02.100 --> 00:35:05.100
of how aggressive
the tumor is going to be.

00:35:05.266 --> 00:35:08.466
And this is comparing the amount of DNA
in a tumor

00:35:08.466 --> 00:35:11.466
cell relative to the normal cells
that are also in the sample

00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.266
reticular site counting.

00:35:14.266 --> 00:35:18.533
You can use the flow cytometry to account
to count and enumerate reticular sites.

00:35:18.533 --> 00:35:21.533
And these are the
the less mature red blood cells.

00:35:21.833 --> 00:35:25.500
You just have to use
a dye that will, bind to RNA.

00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:30.533
Enumeration of,

00:35:30.533 --> 00:35:32.866
fetal red blood cells.

00:35:32.866 --> 00:35:35.866
This is a test
that we perform in my department.

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.000
And this is used to

00:35:39.766 --> 00:35:43.366
detect whether there has been a fetal
to maternal hemorrhage

00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:48.900
and then quantitate the amount of fetal
red cells in moms circulation

00:35:49.166 --> 00:35:52.166
with an eye towards determining how much,

00:35:53.133 --> 00:35:55.166
rhodium

00:35:55.166 --> 00:35:59.200
needs to be given to prevent sensitization
to the baby's red cells.

00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:05.266
And it's it's important, of course, within
the context of the RH antigen system.

00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:09.600
So if mom is RH negative
and dad is RH positive,

00:36:10.133 --> 00:36:13.133
then mom will see that

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:16.466
that RH positivity as a foreign antigen

00:36:16.466 --> 00:36:20.100
and can will mount an immune response
to the D antigen positivity.

00:36:20.433 --> 00:36:25.000
So if mom is negative and dad is positive,
then then the clinician

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.133
is going to be concerned
that if the baby is positive

00:36:28.133 --> 00:36:31.800
and any of baby's red cells
come into contact with mom's circulation

00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.900
and thus her immune system,
that she might become sensitized

00:36:35.066 --> 00:36:38.933
and start producing an immune response
against baby's red cells.

00:36:39.100 --> 00:36:43.133
Those antibodies can cross the placenta
in subsequent pregnancies

00:36:43.366 --> 00:36:46.366
and cause problems for the for the fetus.

00:36:46.566 --> 00:36:50.300
So hemolytic disease of the newborn is a
is a potential.

00:36:50.466 --> 00:36:54.900
And so it's important
to as soon as possible after delivery

00:36:55.166 --> 00:36:58.700
be able to tell the clinician
yes there was a fetal hemorrhage,

00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.066
maternal hemorrhage or no.

00:37:00.066 --> 00:37:02.066
And if there was, how many?

00:37:02.066 --> 00:37:06.900
What's the percentage of fetal cells that
that that escaped into mom's circulation.

00:37:07.133 --> 00:37:09.333
And then that will
dose the patient accordingly.

00:37:10.866 --> 00:37:12.900
You can also look at immune complexes.

00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:17.366
So quantitate in a patient who has lupus
or another autoimmune disorder.

00:37:17.966 --> 00:37:19.133
What's the number.

00:37:19.133 --> 00:37:22.133
What's the what's the concentration
of circulating immune complexes.

00:37:22.133 --> 00:37:25.466
Using flow cytometry
you can look at nucleic acid probes.

00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.700
And you can also monitor patients
that have undergone, bone marrow

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.000
or stem cell transplantation.

00:37:35.100 --> 00:37:38.566
So just wrapping up some of the key points
that we've discussed,

00:37:39.533 --> 00:37:41.633
flow cytometry is an automated measurement

00:37:41.633 --> 00:37:44.700
system of physical
or antigenic characteristics

00:37:44.700 --> 00:37:47.900
of single cells passing in a fluid media
through a laser light source.

00:37:48.966 --> 00:37:53.433
Flow cytometry consists of three
subsystems fluid optics and electronics,

00:37:54.200 --> 00:37:57.700
and there are various clinical
applications related to flow cytometry,

00:37:57.866 --> 00:38:02.933
with examples being immuno phenotyping
for primary immuno deficiencies.

00:38:03.233 --> 00:38:05.300
As we discussed,

00:38:05.300 --> 00:38:10.700
abnormal cell populations in mature
lymphoid malignancies

00:38:10.700 --> 00:38:15.366
and immature acute myeloid or lymphoid

00:38:15.766 --> 00:38:19.066
leukemias, DNA or RNA analysis,

00:38:19.933 --> 00:38:24.433
fetal hemoglobin determination,
and then others that are always upcoming.

00:38:24.733 --> 00:38:28.100
So it's been my pleasure to present
this talk to you today.

00:38:29.533 --> 00:38:30.833
And I thank you for your time.
